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'No Bloodshed' as Dems, GOP Voters Watch Debate

Morris County residents hung out with Patch Tuesday night at Tiffany's Restaurant in Montville for presidential debate viewing party.

 

Here's at least one thing everyone from any political stripe could agree on: whomever they were voting for before Tuesday's night's presidential debate at Hofstra University was the same person they were voting for after the 90-plus minute town hall event was over.

Almost a dozen Morris County residents hung out with Patch at Tiffany's Restaurant in Montville for the slugfest between President Barack Obama and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, the second of three scheduled debates before America votes on Nov. 6.

Most in attendance came in favor of Obama, while two registered Republicans held their own.

It was a point Montville resident Truscha Quatrone, who is running for freeholder in Morris County, said was important.

"We should not be scared to sit at the same table," she said.

Nor were the assembled folks at Tiffany's scared to speak their minds.

"I'm more mad at the Republicans than the Democrats," Gene Corno, also of Montville, said. Donning both a Ron Paul T-shirt and hat, Corno said, although a registered Republican, overall, "I'm a person. We've got to stop doing what we're doing."

That means potentially voting for someone, Romney, he does not enthusiastically support.

A similar reaction came from Elizabeth Mackee, of Caldwell. "I figured he would do less damage than Barack Obama," she said. Prior to the debate Tuesday, Mackee said she hoped Obama "will lose and show he's too far left."

Candidate enthusiasm was similarly wan on the other side of the aisle, two chairs down. Jeannie McGuire, a registered Democrat, noted her pending vote for the president was not coming enthusiastically, but coming nonetheless. "As long as people are educated on issues, that's what we need in our political discourse," she said.

The former New York City resident even noted a willingness to not vote down party lines blind, having voted for former Mayor Rudy Giuliani. "No Democrat was worthy of my vote," she said.

As the debate began, however, the room in Morris County, like those weighing in throughout the Twitterverse, put their full support behind their candidate.

Early on, as Romney spoke over moderator Candy Crowley's attempt to move along the debate, Corno said of the candidate's aggressiveness, "he's awesome."

"He's obnoxious," Democrat and former Montville Township Committee member Dan Grant said. "Shut him up."

When Obama's "I don't look at my pension because it's not as big as yours" line was delivered, the Democrats in the room laughed and cheered.

When Romney noted his ability to balance budgets in Massachusetts and for the 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City, Corno clapped.

When Obama brought up Romney's oft-maligned "47 percent" comments regarding those the former governor was writing off at the polls—recorded in secret by an attendee at a high-priced Romney fundraiser—several hoots, cheers and fist pumps could be seen around the table.

In the end, those who came in support of the president remained in his corner. Toni Bennett, of Florham Park, said she felt Obama "was a fighter tonight. I feel better about him."

"His party told him to wake up," Corno said. Still, if he has to pick one of the two candidates, his vote still was going to Romney. "He has the background needed to get the country going."

"He's a businessman," Mackee said of Romney. "He'll do a much better job."

Quatrone, like Bennett, expressed pleasure in Obama's performance, which showed "just how qualified he is to be President of the United States," she said. "He's really telling a story that needed to be told."

With the second debate in the books, not much had changed regarding the opinions of at least those gathered at Tiffany's Restaurant.

So, was it then a success?

"Hey, there was no bloodshed," Grant said with a laugh. 

Related Topics: Debate, Hofstra, Obama, and Romney

Robert Lawrence

6:42 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Who was there? Gene Corno, Dan Grant, Truscha Quatrone. Apparently they decided to hold this year's Montville Crackpots Convention at Tiffany's.

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Dan Grant

9:24 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

If it happens again I hope to see you there.

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Rosie

10:22 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Maybe you should have joined them. You might have learned something instead of name calling. I do not know the other two people that you mentioned, but Dan Grant worked very hard for Montville. I, for one, miss him. He is an intelligent person. Not only this, but a good person. So who are you????? One word I can use for you is "disgusting". Feel the love????

Bob Crawford

7:55 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Natalie
No doubt about it. The millions of citizens who took the time to watch the debate last night were the real winners as they had a chance to take an unfiltered look at the politicians who asking for their vote and more importantly their trust. Thanks to Patch (and you) the residents of Parsippany will soon have the opportunity to get to know the candidates running for the BOE as well as Council candidates Judy Tiedemann and Johnathan Nelson and to learn where they stand on issues that impact Parsippany residents. Hopefully all of the candidates' chairs will be filled on debate night as a no show would only demonstrate a lack of interest in and respect for the residents of Parsippany. Hopefully, all of Parsippany's candidates will accept Patch's invitation and and participate in this very important debate. Hopefully we will come away from that debate better informed and better prepared to cast our ballot on November 6th.

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Natalie Davis

1:06 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

As of today, all of the candidates have committed to attending the event and sharing their visions with the residents, save for two exceptions: BOE candidate Joanne Mancuso and Council candidate Judy Tiedemann.

Dan Grant

9:27 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

So the 15 seconds of a 90 minute debate of her factually correcting Rmoney offended you? Rmoney was wrong plain and simple no matter what your talking heads say after the fact.

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Rosie

10:16 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Once again, you are right on, Dan. Candy Crowley was awesome. She monitored the debate so much better than the whimp from the last debate. As for interrupting - who interrupted more than Romney. He is rude, arrogant, obnoxsious (forgive my spelling - no spell check) but you get the point. A rich kids who did not earn his money - was given it AND when it was not enough - "stole" it from companies that he closed and the people hwo worked in these companies. He will run the country as he has run his life. With lies and working only for the rich. Good luck with that, Repubs.

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g

1:19 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

The most shocking exchange took place on the Benghazi attack that left the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three others dead.

Mr. Romney: “You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, it was an act of terror? It was not a spontaneous demonstration, is that what you’re saying.”

Mr. Obama made no defense. “Please proceed, governor.”

“I want to make sure,” Mr. Romney said. “Get the transcript,” the president said. Then Ms. Crowley jumped in to do her own fact-check, on the spot. “It — it — it — he did in fact, sir. … He did call it an act of terror.”

The truth is, he didn’t. The day after the attack, he said only this: “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.” It took another two weeks before the White House would label the attack an act of terror.

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Jo

1:22 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Dan. You forget. Maxim is perfect.

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Dan Grant

2:17 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Max, You will not understand this but the term "Retarded" is offensive to many people and as such has been dropped from civil society. If you had any regard for the special needs community you would know that. I will also say to you that Candy Crowley didn't get to where she is by being your typical Faux Type female commentator and you may find that offensive . That doesn't mean that attractive women can't also be intelligent just that it isn't a requirement on Faux. She is a real reporter who has earned her position through her hard work. I don't always like the stories she brings public but I do believe that she has researched her facts.

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V

2:27 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Dan, I apologize for calling you "retarded"; I should have used a milder term, "an alternatively gifted person", as recommended by Gov. Chris Christie.

Now, about the hapless moderator. She's plain ugly, but that would be easy to deal with if she also were intelligent and not a raving partisan shill. Not only Crowley did her best to slant the debate, she also interrupted a candidate to fact-check him (incorrectly, by her own admission later). She should have learned from Jim Lehrer who, while equally liberal, has class and intelligence to spare.

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VietNam Vet

12:20 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Dan, it is a disgrace to this country and to the residents of Morris County just how far left you really went. If you go any futher I swear to God you would fall of the earth completely. You really kiss this jerk butt and he is a disgrace to the American people, I'm sure you still remember them, the one's you took an oath to represent in this corrupt Government.

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Dan Grant

11:20 am on Monday, November 5, 2012

Vietnam Vet, I can understand why you think I could fall off the end of the earth but I assure you it is round. That may come as a shock to you but google earth can enlighten you.

Rosie

10:19 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Hey Maxim, Where do you get off insulting intelligent people like Candy Crowley. Oh, I forgot. You are not intelligent - just a Repub who seems to think he knows it all. I have read your comments - no matter where - and this is how I view you. Insulting!!!!

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Flood Plain Jane

1:21 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Hey Maxim,
You have managed to insult a respected member of our media. She was asked to moderate, not be judged by your Fat Behind. I applaud to choice of moderator for this Debate, and the fine job she did. It was nice to see 2 women selected so far for these important jobs. When Romney was asked what he would do for equality for women in the work place his statement was "I have a binder full of women" OMG!!! His grand and great grand fathers had houses full of women!!! Wives!!! Wake Up America!!! This man and his beliefs that are not your typical Republican values, they are really extreme, this 47% Woman is really scared if he gets in.

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V

1:54 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

>> You have managed to insult a respected member of our media.

Respected by whom? A couple of welfare leeches in the liberal echo chamber?

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12345678

2:40 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Oh Please, FPJ, it's so ridiculous to find offense in Romney's binders statement. What was offensive about it? Most women are intelligent enough to know exactly what he meant, the thoughtless minority wait for MSNBC to tell them to be offended.

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Dan Grant

5:16 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

The offense of the binder comment is two fold. First you have to ask yourself under what orders and it had to be Rmoney's, did they assemble these Cabinet positions that produced only men. I have been in Local Government a long time and even locally you meet people both men and women that you develope a high regard for and It is hard to imagine a man as politically active as one running for Governor wouldn't have met women along the way that he himself would have thought would make good Cabinet Members. His problem is that he only see people as tools for his own advancement just as he has seen them as either assets or liabilities in his takeover targets. I don't believe his story but even if true it is the essence of affirmative action which all Republicans hate to go out and seek people of a particular gender or race to fill positions. The fact that these women were reduced to being in a binder is insulting and not a little thing.

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12345678

6:50 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

I disagree Dan. At least he actually hired many of these women...
Liberal talking points like this is what turns most people off. Intelligent women were not insulted by this comment. As for this being a form of affirmative action, it was his choice to seek out women, not mandated, as it should be.

Jo

1:31 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

All I know is that we Americans lost (at this debate). Neither candidate even blew a kiss at the worst crisis the whole globe faces: climate disruption. Inaction is affecting us all, no matter what your party is, as well as those beyond our borders. And I'm disgusted with the 2 parties having hijacked the debate process so that other voices cannot be heard. For example, Jill Stein (Green Party), who has met Federal regs for funds, and is on 85% of the ballots in our country, could not be heard. Instead, she got arrested when attempting to come on campus grounds. Democracy cannot survive without its variety of opinions heard, whether you're in agreement or not.

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Natalie Davis

1:40 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Mr. Sapozhnikov, the president said in the Rose Garden: “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.” If not the incident in Benghazi, to what act of terror, pray tell, was he referring?

I will refrain from saying what is going through my head regarding you and I insist that you do the same when referring, not to me, but to other posters. Everyone is entitled to respect even if you disagree with them. Namecalling is a violation of the Patch terms of service.

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Elizabeth

3:28 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Ms. Davis, Obama and his administration was still saying for two weeks that it was a "you-tube spontaneous riot". He KNEW it was "terrorism". Are you kidding me?

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Paul Jacobs

4:36 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Tragic as it was, the deaths of the 4 Americans did not happen on American soil. Remember 9/11 and the cover-up that insued as to what we knew and when we knew it. The GOP can't stand the fact that a Dem POTUS took away their position on who can keep the country safe. Are we safer now then 4 years ago, you bet your behind we are.

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V

5:00 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Mr. Jacobs, the "evil Bush" meme is lost on me because in my eyes, both Bush and Obama proved equally incapable of keeping Americans safe from Muslim violence, though for different reasons. Obama's foreign policy cred, assuming he had any, died on 9/11/2012. And yes, an embassy *is* part of the country, this has been a fact for hundreds of years.

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Paul Jacobs

5:14 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

So, you will vote for someone who has NO foreign policy, or perhaps a third party that wants us isolated from the rest of the world.

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V

5:21 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

I'll take no foreign policy over a bad one. Do you object to Romney's on-the-job training, or believe that only Obama can do it?

And actually, Mr. Jacobs, I wouldn't mind being isolated from the rest of the world, as soon as we start drilling for our own oil (rather than Brazilian), hiring our own IT people (rather than Indian) and spending our own money (rather than Chinese).

Paul Jacobs

5:35 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

You just mentioned all the countries that Romney invests in. Coincidence? What I object to is his actuall beliefs, which he will only states when behind closed doors. You seem intelligent, can you tell me how he will pay for his tax cuts. And then maybe we will start to discuss your parties obstructionism in the House of Rep. So, that is where I lay the blame. And the "Bush meme", If you don't think his policies got us to where we are, you are dillusional.

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5:39 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Romney invests in India or Brazil, Mr. Jacobs? Would you please share the source of your information? Remember, DNC doesn't count. As for China, I believe that the last debate found out that both Romney and Obama have Chinese investments, as do I and likely you as well, assuming you're employed.a

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VietNam Vet

12:49 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Paul, tell me what is the difference where or who someone invests in? I'm sure if you had any investments you would want to make as much money as the next guy, no matter where it may be. I am an investor and I have some in forgein stocks and yes maybe some are in China, but I really don't care where Mr. Romney puts his money, but I do care about what Obummer does with MY money, by giving it to lazy people who can work, but choose not to because this idiot gives them my money to sit home and how he spends millions of dollars on vacations and golf games. When there is a jobs council meeting he is out playing golf, when people are fighting for their jobs, he is on TV or at a fundraiser. The ony job he is worried about right now is his own. He says he is so concerned about jobs and the economy right now because it election time, but after wards he could care less about anyone but himself and his agendas as always, and you are stupid enough to want four more dumb no productive years of that? Then you are dumb and clueless!!!

Paul Jacobs

6:00 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Your assumption in this case made an ass out of you, as I near retirement, I can say I have probably worked longer than you. But as your side always does, and you have done in earlier posts, can't win on facts, so attack a person. You see Mr. Sapzhnikov, I also wear an American Flag on the lapel of my suit jacket, and I fly one in front of my house and yes, I am a Democrat. Now I must bid you farewell, because you have lost all credibility with me.

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6:56 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Mr. Jacobs, there is no need to be offensive. If you are employed (in these inclement times, it speaks well of you) you likely have a pension plan, and most pension plans diversify into foreign investments. So you, as well as me, likely own some Chinese stock. In that, we aren't different from either candidate.

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Elizabeth

9:05 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Paul, pensions make their money from investments all over the world. Check your pension and you will find investments from China and the rest of the world. And yes, our Embassy's are on "our" land. I wish the Obama supporters wouldn't use their emotions when voting...they need to use their brains. Paul, If Obamacare isn't stopped by Romney, you might NOT be able to get a medical procedure in your elderly years because the government can't afford it because they will have to pay for everyone else. Why do you think most doctors are against Obamacare?

Paul Jacobs

3:36 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Elizabeth, I have checked my pension when I started it. I have NO foreign investments. As far as Obamacare, you have to be kidding me, why do you think the Healthcare system is so expensive, including your premiums. Do you understand, that is someone goes to the emergency room with no insurance, the hospital must charge the people with insurance extra to make up the loss. I do not see what is so hard for you to understand about that. You want to vote for Romney, ask the people in Mass. about their Healthcare. I am using my brains, so don't start your rehtoric. If Romney wins, he WILL increase taxes on the middle class and he WILL start another war. If that is what you want, go for it. You still can't tell me how he will pay for his tax cuts, give me the math.

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V

4:40 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Mr. Jacobs, the reasons our healthcare system is so expensive are 1) EMTALA Law, 2) illegal aliens using "free" ER for routine care, and 3) the exclusion from antitrust laws that the Big Pharma and medical providers enjoy. ObamaCare, a.k.a. ObamaTax, will not solve either, and Romney doesn't have much to offer, either. This is *not* a partisan issue; both sides contributed to the deep doodoo we're in.

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VietNam Vet

8:37 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Mr J. explain to me why so many Doctors are getting out of the business now. One of my Doctors has closed her doors for good because of what is coming, and so many more won't except medicare patients anymore. So that means millions of seniors will not have insurance any longer or drug coverage. Many of my drugs are no longer covered now, so what do I do now? Many of the things that were covered before are not now, can you tell me what seniors like me will do now?

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