Residents: No More Bars on DeHart Street
Proposed bowling alley and restaurant, with a liquor license, roundly jeered at council meeting.
The attorney for those proposing a possible bowling alley on DeHart Street were only going before Town Council Tuesday to discuss whether they could hear a liquor license transfer request before going to the Planning Board. But, a number of residents came out to voice their opinion on the entire project.
That opinion? No way.
Following lengthy discussion and public comment, Town Council decided they would allow the liquor license transfer process to be discussed prior to the application's presentation to the Planning Board. A date was not yet set for when that hearing will take place.
Attorney Robert Williams, representing Billy Walsh–of the same Walsh family that owns Sona Thirteen on South Street, as well as Tashmoo and The Dark Horse, on DeHart–came before the council April 10 to ask for them to first decide whether or not Walsh could transfer a "pocket liquor license (meaning it currently is not attached to any business)" to 10 DeHart St., which is located next to Tashmoo. If approved, that would allow the project–which Williams called "a boutique, 12-lane bowling alley and restaurant"–to then go before the Planning Board, which would then have to decide whether or not to approve it for construction.
Williams told the council the entire project was contingent on having the liquor license. Hence, why they were seeking that portion of the process be discussed before rather than after the Planning Board process.
"This deal does not go forward without a liquor license," he said.
If it was up to those residents who came out to speak on the plan, however, the deal would not go through at all.
"We're tired already of having drunk people outside our homes, and they're all coming from DeHart," said Macculloch Avenue resident Tricia Rosenfield, who moved to Morristown from Brooklyn with her family several years ago. "That's not what we moved here for."
"DeHart is very narrow and small," said Marie Rozan, of the 40 Park luxury condo development. "Within half-a-block, there are so many bars currently. It's already congested. This is way over utilization of this street–we'll have gridlock."
Alison Cutler, of Colles Avenue, noted the property in question has already had a mobile history–having been moved from behind The Community Theatre several years ago to make way for a loading dock.
"It was a great success to move a piece of history," she said. "We know it will not be moved (again); it will be destroyed. It's a sad end to what was a beautiful story."
Mayor Tim Dougherty said at the meeting that a traffic study was already being conducted in that area, in order to determine what should, and could operate there.
Still, with several bars already on DeHart Street, and several more on South Street (including Iron Bar, which is expected to open later this year), Cutler said the idea of another bar in town was disturbing.
"It's a mess on DeHart, it's not a pretty place," she said. "This is not the right project for that street."
Stacey
6:00 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
If people are concerned about noise, they should live further in the suburbs..hence, not right down the street from a major town with several activities. A bowling alley in town would be amazing and a great place for kids and adults-love the idea.
Lake Road Resident
Cara DePalma
10:13 am on Thursday, April 12, 2012
Or perhaps the 20-somethings that inundate Morristown every weekend can learn to behave like responsible adults? Not everyone can afford to live farther in the suburbs.
Moira
7:06 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
What an ignorant comment. So, what do you do with all those houses just blocks from town and the people who live in them? A neighborhood, by the way, that pays a ton in property tax to the town. We're all supposed to be quiet and have no say about an as-yet non-existing business because it's our fault we bought these old houses and fixed them up? How about the residents on Macculloch close to James who have had to deal with numerous drunk drivers swiping their parked cars after leaving bars in town? (Perhaps Stacey thinks they shouldn't have bought a house with only on-street parking.) How about the non-Walsh businesses on DeHart (including that in the house in question) that are fed up with vomit and broken glass on their thresholds in the mornings? Should they move to another town?
I'm guessing Stacey you're from the Township, in which case, we should all really ignore whatever you have to say.
Katrina
7:46 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Aside from all the other issues, DeHart is a small one way street that is constantly congested. I love the idea of the bowling alley but, I think DeHart already has too much traffic.
John Passantino
9:40 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Love the idea and hope that Billy doesn’t get discouraged if this location doesn’t work out. I can understand the residents who live in the area’s concerns but as a downtown resident would love this idea for different type of atmosphere from all the bars that are pretty much the same. It surprises me how people react with the “no way not in our town” and then complain about diversity of businesses in town. This is a great idea that doesn’t currently exist in Morristown. That being said I’m not sure the purposed location would be the best fit for it.
PS – not all of us bar patrons are bad people.
Joseph Torres
10:09 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
come to Morristown drink in our bars get your nails done do some banking go back to the bar
Ariadne
10:18 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
It's a great idea, but not at the DeHart St. location. That area is already too congested with bars. Personally, what is missing in Morristown is more family-friendly establishments.
Mary
10:48 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
I think a bowling alley is a great idea. A bowling alley appeals to families, young, old, professional, all kinds of people! People are just so quick to say NO NO NO when it comes to change. STOP HATING on the WALSH family, their bringing money and people to our beautiful town!
Murphy
11:31 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
The walsh family has 5 bars in town and are also trying to get a 6th(the muse) when is the town and state going to stop this.
John Passantino
11:42 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Oh no a family (all different members mind you that legally own different bars) own bars in small city like atmosphere!! The world is ending!! How does this affect your life? Oh it doesn't? Ok then.
Dipper
11:47 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Murphy sounds like a communist.
Katrina
11:52 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Yes, let's get the government MORE involved in our business. That's a great idea!
peter
12:08 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
poor poor walsh.......just buy whatever votes ya need like always
John Passantino
12:25 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Those pesky Walsh job/Morristown revenue creators at it again!
Spaceman47
12:33 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Sounds like a lot of sour grapes. I've been living next to all of these places for three years now and have zero complaints. Seems like some people are a little mad their place didn't do as well.
Dipper
12:48 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Walsh family for mayor/town council!!!!
Margret Brady
1:13 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
The bowling alleys we took our kids to never served liquor as part of the bowling activity. Who's going to keep track of who is drinking what, in a crowded combo bar and bowling place packed with people. Why make this a Walsh thing when its a zoning matter. Our ordinances do not permit bowling alleys in that zone. They are a conditional uses with associated parking and other requirments. If the Walsh family was that badly treated, they could make their profits in the Township or any other near by town. They invest in Morristown because they make a profit here, plain and simple. Lets stick to the issues.
Do you want underage kids hanging out at bars in order to bowl?
Do you think that the majority of bars in Town should be located in the same place?Would you want to purchase one of the proposed residences directly accross the street, when they were planned and approved based on the existing conditions and facing a lovely historic building, knowing that once it is removed and replaced with a large brick box with roof top bars and balconies, those visitors from out of town would be drinking and partying and facing the front windows of your potential new home?
Morristown became vibrant again not because the bars were moved to DeHart Street but because Morristown changed its zoning to encourage residential uses downtown. Adding over a thousand new residents and tax payers is what revitalized the downtown. The bars moved near the people not vica versa.
John Passantino
1:29 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
I might not agree with your concerns but glad you made the point that it should be about the location/idea of it and not the owners. I agree that the location isn't great for what they want to do but like the idea of a small boutique bowling alley. These places do extremely well in NYC so why not Morristown in a location that negatively affects the least amount of people?
As for bars in bowling alleys, most bowling alleys have a bar. You might not have noticed it but they are there. They seen to do just fine.
Dipper
1:30 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Do I want underage kids hanging out at bars in order to bowl?
Yes.
Do I think that majority of the bars in Town shouuld be located in the same place? Yes.
Would I want to purchase one of the proposed residences directly accross the street, when they were planned and approved based on the existing conditions and facing a lovely historic building, knowing that once it is removed and replaced with a large brick box with roof top bars and balconies, those visitors from out of town would be drinking and partying and facing the front windows of your potential new home?
Uh yes please. Where can I buy this home??? I must have it.
Spaceman47
1:16 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
The town is in such better shape then when I moved in. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't be on board for this.
Spaceman47
2:08 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
I would vote for "Dipper" if he ran for mayor!!!
Motown Resident
11:30 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012
It's a shame we don't have more people willing to put there money where the Walsh's do, investing in Morristown and taking a chance on building a business and crating jobs. If I recall, they renovated a vacant space and built the Dark Horse. They then took a vacant space and built Tashmoo. Then they bought a license out of bankruptcy and renovated a store front that went out of business and build Sona. Not too shabby, three vacant spaces built into three vibrant businesses employing lots of people, most i hear that live in Morristown. Is this really a crime?
The "historic" building on Dehart street has one tenant. No one complained when this "historic" building was sold for a buck and moved to build a loading dock. Anyone ever take the time to see where the building was from on Pine Street, hardly historic. No one complained when that house was totally gutted and remodeled for offices. Please, let's be real, if we hold business progress up for this building we better be prepared to stop progress elsewhere and hold everyone to that standard otherwise....................I smell lawsuit..............
ProMorristown
3:40 pm on Friday, April 13, 2012
There is a difference between people who invest in Morristown solely for personal gain and those that want to help create a better experience in town and then be able to profit from it. Not sure where they stand but so far the Walsh's are not very popular with the business community or the residents near their bars so if it quacks like a duck... A boutique bowiling alley is a cool idea and rooftop dining is also great, but first I'd like to see them prove they can be more responsible to evryone in the community.
marie Rozan
1:19 pm on Saturday, April 14, 2012
There is no problem with any person or any family here.
The problem is DeHart St /corner is already near capacity with pedestrians,cars and trucks making deliveries.
Not yet open, but expected to open momentarily is a new bar with a capacity for 800 people and their cars and delivery trucks! This bar will more then take up any extra capacity there may be. Now we are walking single file if we want to stay on the sidewalk with some delivery trucks.
We already have a cast of thousands here on this tiny Dehart corner/Street, it really is just maxed out.
karla
9:00 pm on Saturday, April 14, 2012
Love the idea of a boutique bowling alley. It would be nice to have a different entertainment option right here in Morristown. DeHart might not be the best location, but this is a great idea.
Lee
8:41 am on Thursday, May 3, 2012
Oh no, not another bar in the neighborhood!. I'd like to see a greater variety of commercial retail, e.g., stores that serve the resident community and attract a wider range of shoppers and visitors.
Fred
10:31 am on Thursday, May 3, 2012
Why not convert the entire center of Morristown into one huge bar! We can call it the "Bar of America" like the "Mall of America" in Minnesota. We can have a forced relocation of all those grumpy residents in the center city. We'll put the Walshes in charge. All will be well.
Dipper
3:32 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
This is 100% the best idea I have ever heard of on the patch!!! I'm going to galvanize the Morristown alchies by making "Bar of America" pint/shot glasses and really get the movement started. Perhaps we can start with a temporary beer garden on the green for the time being. Plus having the Walsh's control more of anything in Morristown is always a good idea!!!! WALSH! WALSH! WALSH!
We can even gather up all the homeless people who frequent the green and send them to live on Margaret Brady's front lawn!!!
Monique
10:33 am on Thursday, May 3, 2012
I totally agree! Our town has too many bars already -- especially on tiny DeHart Street. More delivery trucks by day and more drunks at night in an already congested area? Who needs that? It would be great to have more shopping and entertainment opportunities in Morristown by day.
Spaceman47
3:28 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
Fred, you are a genius!!!! This neighbor to Dehart though is staying put!!!!
joe
3:31 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Dehart has become a.garbage walsh avenue.
Prentiss Gray
8:46 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
When local government weighs the needs and rights of the residents against those of business and revenue, I'd hope they'd lean toward those who actually live here. Towns are people, not stores and bars. It's a delicate balance and what some people call "revitalization" can slide right into "Pottersville" on decisions just like this one.