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Feb. 8 Nationwide Rally In Defense of 2nd Amendment

New Jersey’s 1 million law-abiding gun owners share in the horror of Adam Lanza’s slaughter of 20 defenseless children in Connecticut.  He used stolen guns after—in his gruesome spree. We join with the rest of our nation in demanding that steps be taken (jewelers can have armed guards to protect their valuables, why not protect our children with the same vigilance?)  to reduce the likelihood of such a mass atrocity happening again.

President Obama has taken his former chief of ataff’s advice not to “let any crisis go to waste.”  He lost no time in seeking legislation that both does nothing to inhibit future Lanzas ("gun free zones" still leave children undefended), but also severely infringes upon the 2nd Amendment rights of all citizens. 

New Jersey 2nd Amendment Society members are alarmed at the proposed additional restrictions on our rights and will be joining other 2nd Amendment groups across the nation on Feb. 8 who will gather at their respective state capitals simultaneously to  exhibit our support for the sole amendment to the U.S. Constitution that defends all of the others.

Buses to Trenton leave from a dozen locations throughout New Jersey, including Morris County. The site closest to Parsippany and Montville is the Montville Office Plaza at 330 Changebridge Road in Pine Brook; the cost is $20.

Registration information is available at http://www.nj2as.com/EVENTS?eventId=605978&EventViewMode=EventDetails.  

Additional details are available on Facebook.

New Jersey gun owners are quickly gaining a voice.  Gun For Hire Radio, which is taped weekly, became one of the top rated podcasts on iTunes in less than a year, and has a following around the world.  The New Jersey 2nd Amendment Society itself is less than 3 years old, and has rapidly become known to political leaders and legislators on both sides of the aisle.

Please join with this fast growing group of 2nd Amendment defenders in Trenton on Feb. 8.

LC

7:45 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013

While I agree that the Obama administration and liberal legislators are using the Sandy Hook tragedy as the impetus for their attack on the 2A, all citizens, regardless of political orientation, should be alarmed. If you love the First Amendment, you had better support the Second.

Gun laws only affect law abiding citizens, restricting our God given right to protect ourselves, our homes, and our families. Criminals do not follow the law and we already have some of the most restrictive gun laws in this state, along with CT. The false narrative about so called "assault" weapons is particularly offensive, as a very small percentage of crimes are committed with these types of weapons. Most gun violence is committed with ILLEGAL handguns.

Gun control advocates never address the question: Why do cities and states with the strictest gun laws have the most gun violence? And, why aren't people shooting each other up in places where citizens are free to carry?

I am a mom and a professional. I recently joined the NRA and NJ2AS. I've applied for my FID and have gone to the shooting range to begin learning proper gun safety and use. I've only recently become passionate about this issue, as i witness the government's hunger to revoke even more of my rights. I hope this post reaches others who my not have considered that we are at a crossroads. I will definitely be at the rally.

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Jo

8:47 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013

Part of your statement is only surface truth. High population areas have high violence rates, no doubt and the weapon is most often a handgun. But for gun deaths, it's in linearly related to the number of guns. States with less guns per capita have lower rates of gun deaths. It's hard to ignore the lower rates of gun deaths in countries who have had strict gun laws for years and given the laws time to truly have an impact. People believe their second ammendment right is unlimited, but the case law clearly shows that it is not. We are at a crossroads, one where we can bury our heads under a false understanding of a law, or look to the reality of today's world to attempt to move from the top of the list in the world's death by gun rate. If you study the history around the time of the second ammendment the framers likely had the primary intention of maintaining and upholding the legality of regulated state militias. At the time the second ammendment was written, there were already some 30 laws on the books in various states limiting where and who could own a weapon. Tommy guns were outlawed in the 30's and the US as we know it did not cease to exist. Rational gun enthusiasts recognize universal background checks & mandatory registration and tracking of sales as responsible citizenship. You can be as enthusiatic about guns as you'd like, it doesn't mean you are, or ever were entitled to unregulated gun use by the second ammendment.

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Chris Gardes

8:03 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013

Jo, Over 90% of gun deaths occur in urban areas where the criminal has no legal right to own or use a firearm. Hopefully you would realize that we are passing laws that only penalize the law-abiding. A person would be naive to think that the bad guys will willingly relinquish their force advantage over victims. The best analogy I can think of would be to say there was an area in town where car-jacking was rampant. Would you tell the people in the town and surrounding areas that they can't own cars because of the actions of one segment of the population?
Lastly, your point about background checks is well taken. I suspect that this and theft are how many guns end up in criminal hands. I differ from many of my fellow 2nd Amendment advocates in that I would like to see a background check on all non-family transfers of firearms. As for registration, you can ask Australian and English, and even New York City citizens how gun registration works. Registration is always done under the idea of promoting safety, with politicians swearing up and down that the information will never be used against gun owners. Historically,confiscation follows. I am happy the government has no idea how many guns are really out there, and who has them.

Ron Soussa

10:23 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013

Jo, Gun use is hardly "unregulated", and that is especially true here in New Jersey.

Whereas the vast majority of states issue concealed carry permits and do not restrict magazine size, NJ effectively not only hardly ever issues concealed carry permits, restricts us to 15 round magazines, it doesn't even recognize the 2nd Amendment in our state's constitution.

NJ gun owners are subject to felony charges if we stop for gas on the way to or from the range with our guns, even if we transport them unloaded and in the trunk, in a locked container. And not only must we go through not one, but two pre-purchase background checks (and often wait months) in order to purchase a handgun, but we also have to go through the NICS (National Instant Criminal Check System) at the point of sale, which now takes up to an additional week and two trips to a Federally licensed firearms dealer.

New Jersey's firearms laws are antiquated and do nothing to enhance public safety compared to the vast majority of other states. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fC2iu3CTPc for more information.

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Jo

11:16 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013

Actually we do have lower per capita death by gun than less regulated states. I do not believe NJ needs stricter gun laws...a good portion of the rest of the nation is a different story. Do you know it ISN'T illegal to fire a gun drunk in some states? Do you oppose universal backgrounds checks and a national registry? If you do we are on the same team. Are you a Reagan fan? Because he strogly supported a ban on military style weapons. How about Colin Powell? He is all for universal background checks. Please read this article. After you look at the data, how can you not want to try something different than what we are doing? http://www.businessinsider.com/shooting-gun-laws-2012-12

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Ron Soussa

2:02 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013

Jo, Our country's gun violence rate is largely a product of inner cities, where gangs and social issues are involved. Chicago, for example, - where handguns are banned - has experienced dramatic increases in murders involving handguns.

Our laws are not the problem.

And developed nations that have restricted guns, such as Britain, have enormously GREATER violent crime rates than we do (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html).

Clearly, restricting the right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms does nothing to enhance public safety. In fact, it only serves to make us easier targets.

That is why we in New Jersey are working to restore our rights, and resisting their further erosion.

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Gobsmacked

4:48 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013

270 million (estimated) guns in a country of 312 (estimated) people doesn't speak to me of an "erosion" of rights. And the attempted portrayal of firearms as household items slightly more benign than plastic teaspoons indicates an overly paranoid group of sociopaths.

The NRA's been winning this argument for 50 years. Why the overwrought reaction to a few lame and, as usual, inconsequential, limitations to firearm ownership?

And here's where the self-pitying victimization always comes in: "That is why we in New Jersey are working to restore our rights, and resisting their further erosion."

You people have enough guns. You'll be able to get many more tomorrow. Stop feeling so sorry for yourselves.

Jo

6:07 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013

Sorry Mr. Soussa, but you are incorrect about GB. The metrics that statitsic compares are bogus. They compare a stat GB uses that includes simple burglary there as well as a range of crimes not consider or included as violent crime in US stats. Do 5 seconds of research. GB is much lower than us when u compare apples to apples. When u mow down 10,000 people a year with guns, its hard to catch up.

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Chris Gardes

7:34 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013

SockPuppet, please have some knowledge about the subject before you speak. Whatever you feel about the number of guns in the US and in other states, the process of obtaining a firearms permit in New Jersey is lengthy, frustrating and worst of all, often politicized. You are subject to redundant criminal and mental health background checks (done once by police when applying for a permit then again at the time of each purpose when run through the Federal NICS system) that slow the process to a crawl. While this is done instantly by computer at the time of purchase in other states, it involves a time consuming and lengthy process involving lots of police man hours doing unnecessary paperwork, taking them away from more important tasks like solving crimes and protecting people. If you live in an urban area where politicians lean on local police to drag their feet granting firearms permits, you are often subjected to unreasonable wait times of nearly a year even though the firearms statues on the books insist that the process should only take 30 days. In New Jersey, the right to keep and bear arms is nothing more than a state granted privilege, subject to revocation at any time. A right delayed is a right denied.

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Gobsmacked

12:52 am on Saturday, February 2, 2013

Chris Gardes, I'm aware of NJ's stringent laws because people like you complain about them. It would be a good thing, in my opinion, if these laws were nationwide. In addition, there's always some crank stating that police should be doing something other than what they're doing, yet unwilling to pay the taxes required to allow for more officers.

So, there you go, I've got the knowledge of the subject and have spoken, just like you, pal.

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Chris Gardes

7:47 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013

So we have to follow all the rules, and the government gets to decide which ones they want to obey? That is the very definition of tyranny. Do you feel that way about the rest of the Bill of Rights too? Illegal search and seizure shouldn't be a problem if you've got nothing to hide, right? Sadly, many people don't think of the Second Amendment as a fundamental right until the barbarians are at the gate. As the looting began near me after Sandy, some folks who had previously been on the anti-gun side of the fence began to realize that a 911 call may not always provide a timely enough response when the police are otherwise occupied. And a six month wait to exercise a Constitutional right doesn't seem quite so reasonable then.

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I plead the 2nd!

8:02 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013

Chris. you are spot on. If you didn't own a gun, and I left a nasty note under your door one night telling you I was going to come back sometime this month and kill you, You would be gunless and defenseless for that whole time, thanks to our well intentioned government. No they will not post an armed guard at your house. your just out of luck. And if I did come kill you that month, what do you think the police would say or do about it? After you begged for a gun permit, because you thought the threat was true. These cops do drag their feet when it comes to your self defense. totally unnecessary.

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Gobsmacked

8:04 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013

Why the theatricality? We're talking about limitations, not denials or seizures. If you feel that you're living under "tyranny", I would suggest that you have no idea what tyranny is, much less how to combat it.

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I plead the 2nd!

8:17 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013

If you have to ask permission to own a gun, that is tyranny. plain and simple.

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Chris Gardes

9:11 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013

Sockpuppet,
Liberty rarely dies in one overwhelming stroke, because people might take notice and attempt to do something about it. It dies the death of a million cuts in political committees, and only civil libertarians seem to notice as essential freedoms are whittled away to the cries of "national security" and "think of the children", until one day they are gone. Contemplate that as you force yourself to become used to the sound of domestic drones buzzing over your house in the near future and you force yourself to say, "It's for my protection".

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Gobsmacked

9:36 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013

So, you feel that any limitations on firearms in this already armed-to-the-teeth nation are just more whittling away of your freedom. Sorry, but I don't fear the imminent threat of domestic drones, nor do I think a Glock in my hands would solve that problem.

I get that you consider yourself a brave freedom fighter. I consider you a paranoid reactionary, and we've gone around in circles long enough on this subject.

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I plead the 2nd!

9:53 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013

Chris your wasting your time talking to this welfare recipient, sockpuppet aka cletus, Once you get the taste of free stuff like he has and lose your dignity, you are lost forever. he will never understand what it really is to be an American. He just rides the wagon and cusses at the wagon pullers.

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Chris Gardes

10:23 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013

By calling me a reactionary, it makes me think you either don't know what the word means, or haven't read my posts. And calling me paranoid makes me think you don't read newspapers either. Domestic spying, warrantless searches, etc are a reality. If you are OK with them, there is nothing further for me to say about it. I am awed by the prescience of the men who came together and tried to set up a bulwark against these abuses, and disgusted by Americans who shrug their shoulders and shirk their birthright of freedom.
Me owning a firearm doesn't make me anything other than someone who is hoping to not have to rely on others for protection when they might not be available in my time of need. You are choosing to put your life and that of your family in the hands of others. I hope they come through for you.

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I plead the 2nd!

10:54 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013

Chris, he calls everyone that worries about the over reaching government, a reactionary, and anyone owning a gun a "paranoid". i don't know if he is a hired instigator for the patch or the actual author of the article, but he is annoying everyone.
that he can. Just ignore him. your wasting your time.

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R Nixon

1:59 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Sorry, but the firearms permit process is fairly simple and easy. I recently received my card for a shot gun. Lengthy - not. Frustrating - not. Politicized - ???
And you know what, I did NOT need six official forms of identification to get my card. It was much easier than renewing my driver's license.

I plead the 2nd!

10:17 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Please watch this clip about the Battle for Athens, then try and buy the movie and watch the whole thing. Very hard movie to get off the internet for some reason. Hollywood is trying to keep it off the shelves. Watch this clip and you will see why.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9tUQxsrQGw

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Selene

11:31 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013

John, your right to own a handgun is based on what? Your paranoid fear to protect your home from a "bad guy"? There are sooo many worse evils right now in this country. You should fear the 1% attempting to destroy this economy and reduce the middle class to poverty. Wake up!!!

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I plead the 2nd!

1:15 am on Sunday, February 3, 2013

Selene, you ignorant sluuuut . it is based on the 2nd amendment. Yes I do fear the ability to be able to protect my home from a bad guy that is stronger than me and my wife. yes there are many evils in this country that I have no responsibility for that i don't have the power to stop. But I can and will stop my home from being invaded. It is not the !% destroying this economy, it is something i don't have the space here to tell you. Yes the economy is being destroy, and that is precisely why you need to be able to protect yourself. What is wrong with you Selene?

Selene

11:19 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013

I do not own a gun, or have a desire to own one right now. That may change. I have seen the peaceful non-violent protests of workers, political activists (Occupy most recently) and have witnessed the brutality of the police. Because our society is crumbling...the rich and corporates taking over the economy, the poor struggling to feed their families, the working poor struggling to not become homeless, the working class struggling to pay their mortgages and rents and other utlilities....I see a revolution brewing.....I abhore violence...but if the police (lackies for the 1%) want to squash my right to protest the vagrant inequalities of our society by the rich (1%)I want a gun to defend my right to protest.

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I plead the 2nd!

1:21 am on Sunday, February 3, 2013

Guess what Selene, you are going to witness even more violence in the coming days. I advice to you is don't be a victim. Get that gun asap. Most everyone abhores violence. especially when there is a guy twice my size beating the crap out of me trying to kill me. That is why I own guns unlocked and loaded. It is a mistake to look to the government to keep you safe. They only show up later with body bags and rape test kits. Don't be a fool. buy a gun.

Rick Caggiano

8:09 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013

To all the anti Second Amendment people.....yes you the anti gun movement...If you don't like guns don't buy one.....If you don't like the Constitution and The Bill of Rights.....Please feel free to leave the country! Pretty simple!

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Gobsmacked

11:26 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013

"Second Amendment – Militia (United States), Sovereign state, Right to keep and bear arms.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
It's pretty clear that the founders were referring to a militia, not some angry, love-it-or-leave-it, paranoid guido.

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R Nixon

2:06 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

OK, so the 2nd amendment says I can own any weapon that I want? It's my "God given right"? I'm marching down to Walmart in my camo pants and buying one of those 'merican grenade launchers. Those 'bama boys are coming and I gotsa defend me, myself and I.

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Comfortably Numb

4:12 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

sockpuppet, come on, "guido"??? how does your husband put up with you?

R Nixon

2:10 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Hey Socky, leave us guidos out of it. We have enough problems, with all these yahoo 'mericans who came in off the Mayflower.

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R Nixon

2:17 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Yo John. If you feel you need a gun for protection, that's fine with me and the feds. But what you don't need is a modified piece of military weaponry. Sorry, the 2nd amendment was hijacked by gun manufacturers in the '80s. Since then, every one has LUSTED after the "black gun". It's a weapon of war.

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Chris Gardes

3:27 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Weapon of war? It's not a machine gun or assault rifle (no matter what hoplophobic politicians or newsroom editors say). It's a semi-automatic rifle. Semi-autos have been around since before the turn of the 20th century. I think the main problem with the AR is that is is made of black anodized aluminum and looks "evil" and thus easy to scapegoat. It shoots what is essentially an intermediate range varmint caliber round. Before the US Military started issuing the M16 in the 60's, bullets in this caliber were considered good for groundhogs and the like. In most states, it is illegal to hunt deer and larger animals with this round because it does not have enough power. Name a popular hunting round (308, 30-30, 30 '06, 243). It has more power and range than 223. There are a few reasons people love AR rifles. They LOOK (emphasize look, not function) like the one the military uses. The ammo is a lot cheaper than most hunting ammo. The rifle itself is modular and easy to modify (i.e. I can change calibers by changing uppers, I can change from a two stage target trigger to a single stage trigger with only a punch driver. I can throw many kinds of optics on the rifle). And as someone who shoots his often, I can do a mag drop and reload in about a second, so I think the mag capacity issue is very overstated.

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Chris Gardes

3:28 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

And as for what kinds of weapons we own (i.e. using reductio arguments for us having drones and air-to-air missiles), the Supreme Court took care of that recently with McDonald vs Chicago. Guns commonly used for self defense and home protection are protected by the second amendment. That means handguns and ARs are in. RPGs are out.

Chris Gardes

2:42 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

R. Nixon,
I am glad it was a good experience for you. It is not for people in MOST towns in this state. While the process was written by legislators to be uniform throughout the state, it was not implemented that way. I don't know what the turnaround time was for your permit (think about how many other fundamental rights you need to wait weeks for), but it was never less than 6 months for me when I lived in Jersey City. It is running over a year for applicants in Paterson and Elizabeth. In Highlands, I applied and NEVER got it in the 2 1/2 years I lived there. The law states that only certain forms are to be used. Many townships illegally force you to fill out extra paperwork (i.e. spousal consent, housemate notification, seeing if your job thinks you should own a gun, etc) in order to process it. We follow the law. Why shouldn't Government? It took me moving to Middletown to finally deal with professional people who do their job according to the law. Ironically, in some of the towns one MOST needs to defend oneself, legal self protection is the hardest to obtain. I know several folks that have had to get mayors, town councilmen, and even Assemblymen involved in their FID application process. If you think that the process is NOT politicized, I suggest you speak to gun owning friends in towns other than your own.

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Chris Gardes

2:45 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

And SockPuppet, WE (i.e. you, me, other citizens) are the Militia. And the 18th century meaning of "well regulated" translates into "well practiced" in today's vernacular. While the pro gun folks here have been making arguments, you have been making assertions and calling names. I think you are a perfect representative for your cause. Emotionally based arguments, not backed by statistics or facts. You should probably consider public office. In North Jersey or in our urban hellholes, you would go far.

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Ron Soussa

6:14 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Thank you Chris Gardes. Responding with facts and logic, to the puppets and others who hide behind screen names and assorted lies, in a very well written manner is a rare talent.

If you're not already aware, www.NJ2AS.com has made "Operation Establish Compliance" - which requires municipalites (through methods including litigation) to comply with, and not exceed, NJ's already onerous and restrictive firearms regulations. Some towns were making up their own rules; requiring credit reports, letters from employers and spouses, and dramatically exceeding the statutory response period. Fortunately we are starting to make some progress.

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Ron Soussa

6:25 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Oh, and Sock Puppet, a "militia" was formed on September 11, 2001 over eastern Pennsylvania, where a group of citizens fought back against the islamist terrorists who intended to murder as many innocents as possible.

The "militia" is "We, the people". We are the last line of defense against enemies, foreign AND domestic, who seek to enslave us or destroy our liberties and freedom.

TENS of millions of innocent lives have been extinguished in the 20th Century alone by governments who managed to disarm their citizens. WE, the people, are all that stands in the way of it happening again.

See "Innocents Betrayed" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40lqavdk7A8) for a history refresher.

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Rick Caggiano

1:40 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013

This is for sock puppet <--- what you don't have a name?.... anyway.... History lesson for you....

In United States v. Miller, After reciting the original provisions of the Constitution dealing with the militia, the Court observed that “with obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted with that end in view.” The significance of the militia, the Court continued, was that it was composed of “civilians primarily, soldiers on occasion.” It was upon this force that the States could rely for defense and securing of the laws, on a force that “comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense,” who, “when called for service . . . were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.”

That was the Supreme Courts ruling .... The key things are "composed of “civilians primarily "....." were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.” I think that is pretty explanatory

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Comfortably Numb

2:01 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013

Rick and Ron chill a little on sock, I heard she's hot!!!
Sock, you got any pics????

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